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[bommel]

folgendes: ich habe den force feedbacke pro joystick (sidewinder) der auch als solcher erkannt wurde und ich hab win2000. ich kann im setup aber dieses kleine kästchen nicht aktivieren das force feedback aktiviert: ist einfach grau (statt weis).
weis wer wie man force feedback aktivieren kann???

danke im voraus

Bommel

[Do_Checkor]

ich wäre wirklich mal interessiert...

hat noch niemand sonst solche probleme gehabt? Ich habe in letzter Zeit sehr viel darüber gehört das FFB ein Problem darstellt. Lasst euch bitte mal aus.

Ich habe das Gefühl das es an Win2k/XP liegt - aber...

BTW: ForceFeedBack ist nicht gut in Descent...

[Roadrunner]

quote:

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Ich habe das Gefühl das es an Win2k/XP liegt - aber...

BTW: ForceFeedBack ist nicht gut in Descent...

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Sieht wohl so aus da ich mit win98 keine probleme hab !

Wie Checkor schon sagt : ForceFeedBack ist nicht gut in Descent...
Is bei mir aus............



bist du nicht Teil der Lösung biste Teil des Problems
so sieht dat aus

[bommel]

hmm...
immerhin hab ich jetzt teilweise erfolg:
ich hab den joystick auf einem Win98 Computer installiert und D3 auch. jetzt kann ich in der Systemsteuerung unter spieleoptionen das forcefeedback einstellen und testen, was vorher unter win2k nicht gegangen ist. aber im D3 setup kann ich forcefeedback immer noch nicht aktivieren...

ich will forcefeedback weil ich dann besser weis ob ich schon an die wand angestossen bin oder nicht und weil ich force feedback hab und daher auch nutzen will...

Bommel

[Do_Checkor]

Geht das FFB denn ÜBERHAUPT in der Win2k-Konfiguration? Ich meine: Kann der Treiber den Du momentan nutzt denn überhaupt FFB unter Win2k? Du müsstest das in den Gamecontrolleroptionen ja testen können...

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why walk when I can run? why run when I can drive? why drive when I can fly? why just fly when I can descent?

[bommel]

ich weis nicht
der gamecontroller erkennt den richtigen joystick unter win2k, aber ich kann ffb nich testen.
übrigens, ich bin grad draufgekommen, das ich in D3 jetzt ffb HAB unter Win 98... ich kanns nur nicht im Setup ein-und aus switchen.....

auf dauer is Win 98 keine lösung für mich, da ich win2k als server brauch und win98 daas nicht kann.

ich vermute, das win2k ffb tatsächlich nicht unterstützt.... weis jemand wo ich win2k treiber runterladen kann ??? ich hab geschaut, aber es gibt die gamecontroller softer für sidewinder produkte nur für win98 weil die ja bei win2k schon integriert is. nur das win2k treiber ffb offenbar nicht unterstützen.....

[Floyd]

quote:

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ich will forcefeedback weil ich dann besser weis ob ich schon an die wand angestossen bin oder nicht und weil ich force feedback hab und daher auch nutzen will...

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Kriegst du das Schiff nicht um die Kurve rum, macht es an der Wand ein Bumm.

Logitech Sticks funken unter Win2k mit dem Std.-M$ Treiber auch nicht 100% (es gibt auch für Gameport-Geräte keinen anderen), aber daß M$ seine eigene Hardware nicht zum Laufen bekommt, tztztz.

Floyd

Ein echter Programmierer benutzt selbstmodifizierenden Code, wenn er dadurch 2 Nanosekunden in einer Schleife einsparen kann.

[Bitch]

Irgendwo habe ich gelesen [c't oder PC Games Hardware], dass FFB in W2k und XP nicht unterstützt wird und M$ das auch nicht plant...

Ich gucke nochmal nach...

greetings, b!tch

[Do_Checkor]

bescheuert. echt bescheuert. ich mein in Win2k würd ich das ja noch ANSATZWEISE verstehen - schliesslich isses ein OS zu arbeiten (NEIN DAS IS KEIN ARGUMENT) aber bei XP versteh ich es nicht - hautpsache Teletubbieoutfit aber kein Joystick Support - LOL!

Wartet ab: NT7 supportet dann keine Mouse mehr und NT7professional keine Monitore...

bommel: was für einen Server brauchst Du denn? was kann Win98 nicht? Internet-gateway (Verbindungsfreigabe)? Win98SE und ME haben das nämlich auch (auch wenn ich die beiden Systeme nicht leiden kann - zum spielen sind die einfach besser).

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why walk when I can run? why run when I can drive? why drive when I can fly? why just fly when I can descent?

[bommel]

Ich hab win98 SE schon als server versucht. du hast recht, ich kann dort gateway einrichten, nur das er nicht so tut wie ich wohl will....
wenn du meinst win98 ME kann das (und so das es auch funktionnniert) dann werd ich das mall versuchen.

[Do_Checkor]

ME hat glaub Gatewaymäßig so weit ich gesehen hatte die selbe Struktur wie Win2k.

Da ME aber GENERELL was anderes ist kann ich nich garantieren das es das tut.


Allgemein würd ich mir KEIN ME installieren NUR wegen FFB. Win2000 mag an der Stelle zwar n Manko haben - aber ist generell in meinen Augen niemals mit ME zu ersetzen.

Ich würde da lieber mal durch ein paar Foren streunen - sicher hat irgend so ein Hacker oder soo nen Treiber selbstgebastelt der auch FFB unter 2k unterstützt...

das hier kennste?

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Why am I unable to use the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback joystick?

This is problem is related to what I/O address the MIDI port on the mainboard is set to. If the on-board MIDI port I/O address is set to either 300h or 330h, the joystick will respond slow, and the force feedback function will be shut down completely. To solve this issue the I/O address will have to be changed in the BIOS to an address other than 300h or 330h.

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hier: http://www.ntcompatible.com/mb.shtml hab ich gelesen:

quote:

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Works
fine with both Win2000 RC1 and now RC3/2183. Instead of trying to
install Win98 software for it, all I did was go to the Game Controllers
option on the Win2000 control panel, click Add... and selected "SideWinder
auto detect". The OS recognized the MS SideWinder
ForceFeedback Pro, and I got instant force feedback support in games
that support it (like Need for Speed 3).

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woanders stand das es nicht das Problem von Microsoft ist sondern ein Bug in einem VIA-Chipsatztreiber ist. Hast Du ein VIA-Chipset? Mach mal ein Treiberupdate.

Ausserdem guck mal hier:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/sidewinder/downloads/default.asp

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why walk when I can run? why run when I can drive? why drive when I can fly? why just fly when I can descent?

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[bommel]

Danke, ich werds versuchen wenn ich dazu komm(das mit dem I/O setting).

wegen dem anderen quote von dir: es stimmt das der joystick ERKANNT wird unter Win2000, aber zumindest in descent hab ich dann kein ffb. ganz als hätt ich es einfach abgestellt.

[Acer]

Es wird nicht sonderlich helfen zu wissen, dass MS definitiv KEINEN Support für "alte" MS Joysticks macht.

Wenn mein letzter Sidewinder aufgibt, werde ich definitiv keine MS Joyticks mehr kaufen. Warum auch, optische Abtastung und Drehgriff haben die Anderen jetzt auch, der technische Vorsprung ist dahin.

Acer,

den der 4-Wege Cooliehat immer mehr nervt...

[Do_Checkor]

@ Acer: FEHLER! Mein 3Dpro wird unter Windows 2000 und WinXP einwandfrei automatisch erkannt und läuft auf meinem 1.7er P4 (mit 800er rambus) einwandfrei mit 8-dir-coolie.

Nur für Win98 gibt es bei schnellen Rechnern (scheinbar ab 700MHz) keinen Support.

Für mich war der Anlass auf Win2k/XP umzusteigen das der Joy unter den beiden OS geht.

Wenn Du erstmal einen anderen Joy probiert hast wirst Du Dich schon noch umentscheiden - glaubs mir Ich habe reichlich Erfahrung in DEM Bereich sammeln müssen. Hehe.

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why walk when I can run? why run when I can drive? why drive when I can fly? why just fly when I can descent?

[Bitch]

Ich glaube, das Thema hatten wir schon mal...

MS Sidewinder 3D pro läuft auch über 700 MHz unter Win98, nämlich bei mir (CPU: 933 MHz)...





greetings, b!tch

[Acer]

O-Ton MS (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/sidewinder/SWUpdate/default.asp):

However, the accompanying SideWinder software (version 3.02 or any previous version) will not function, so you will not be able to create profiles for these devices using the SideWinder software on Windows 2000 or Windows XP. Microsoft is not planning to update the SideWinder software (version 3.02) for game port devices.

OK, wer braucht schon diese Profile, aber davon abgesehen gibt es diverse Probleme mit dem Teil, welche immer wieder darin enden, das das Ding "nicht verbunden" wird.

Acer



Bearbeitet von - Acer am 16 Jan 2002 11:35:56

[DDevil]

Hi,

hab mal ein bißchen rumgeschaut in der TechNet:

Und schon hatte ich über 200 Hits. Ein paar hier mal zusammen gestellt

1.
The following table contains an operating system compatibility list for Microsoft
SideWinder game controllers:

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Game Controller | Windows 95 | Windows 98/Me | Windows NT 4 | Windows 2000 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder standard | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder 3DPro | Yes | Yes | Yes * | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Game Pad | Yes | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Plug and Play Game Pad | No | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Game Pad Pro | No | Yes | No | No ** |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder FreeStyle Pro | Yes *** | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Dual Strike | No | Yes | No | No ** |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Joystick | No | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Pro | Yes *** | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Pro 2 | No | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Pro | Yes | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Pro 2 | No | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Racing Wheel | No | Yes | No | No ** |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel | Yes | Yes | No | Yes |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel (USB) | No | Yes | No | No ** |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+


2.
** You can install and run version 4.0 of the SideWinder software on a Windows
2000-based computer. However, all features may not function as expected, and the
SideWinder software may not function properly. To install the SideWinder
software on Windows 2000, you must log on as an administrator.

3.
If you use a SideWinder USB-only game controller, verify that the SideWinder Game
Controller Software version 4.0 is installed on your computer.

If you use a game port-only or a hybrid game port/USB game controller, verify
that version 3.02 or earlier of the SideWinder Game Device Profiler or the
SideWinder Game Controller software is installed on your computer.

4.
SYMPTOMS
========

While using the SideWinder Force Feedback Pro joystick in a game enhanced with
force feedback effects, you do not feel the force feedback effects.

CAUSE
=====

The SideWinder Force Feedback Pro uses MIDI to transmit force feedback effects.
If the MIDI features of the sound card are not functioning properly then the
force feedback effects will not be felt. Microsoft has created a serial adapter
that uses a serial port to communicate the force feedback effects signal. If the
steps outlined in the RESOLUTION section of this article do not resolve this
problem, you may need a serial adapter.

5.
This article describes how to troubleshoot SideWinder game controllers that
display a status of "Not Connected" in the Game Controllers tool in Control
Panel.

MORE INFORMATION
================

To troubleshoot a SideWinder game controller that displays a status of "Not
Connected," use the following methods in the order in which they are presented.

- Check the Minimum System Requirements
- Verify That the Operating System Supports the Game Controller
- Verify That the Game Controller Is Connected to the Correct Port
- Connect the Game Controller Directly to the Game Port
- Inspect the Connector on the Game Controller
- Use the Latest Version of the SideWinder Game Controller Software
- Verify That You Are Using the Most Recent Drivers for Your Sound Card
- Verify That the Gameport Joystick Device Is Installed Properly
- Configure Your Sound Card to Use Only One Direct Memory Access (DMA) Channel
- Check the System Resources Used By the Gameport Joystick
- Check for Multiple Instances of the Same Device
- Additional Troubleshooting Steps

After you complete each method, check the game controller status in the Game
Controller tool in Control Panel to see if the issue is resolved. If the status
is still "Not Connected," continue to the next troubleshooting method.

Check the Minimum System Requirements
-------------------------------------

Verify that your system meets the minimum system requirements required for both
the SideWinder game controller and the SideWinder Game Controller software.

NOTE: The minimum system requirements for the SideWinder game controllers and the
SideWinder Game Controller software are printed on the product box.

Verify That the Operating System Supports the Game Controller
-------------------------------------------------------------

Verify that the operating system you are using supports your SideWinder game
controller. Supported operating systems are listed in the minimum system
requirements printed on the product box.

For example, on a Microsoft Windows NT-based computer only the SideWinder
Standard, and SideWinder 3D Pro are supported, and each of these game
controllers require that Windows NT Service Pack 3 or later be installed on the
computer.

Additionally, the SideWinder Force Feedback Pro, SideWinder Precision Pro, and
SideWinder game pad, are not supported in an MS-DOS environment.

Verify That the Game Controller Is Connected to the Correct Port
----------------------------------------------------------------

Verify that your SideWinder game controller is connected directly to the game
port on your sound card. The game port on a sound card and the port on a network
card can appear similar.

Connect the Game Controller Directly to the Game Port.
------------------------------------------------------

Connect the SideWinder game controller directly to the game port on your sound
card. If you use a Y-adapter, extension cable, switch box, or dual-port game
card, the game controller may not work properly.

If you are using the Pass-Through port on a SideWinder game pad, verify that
Pass-Through mode is enabled on the game pad (the green LED is lit) or connect
the SideWinder game controller directly to the game port.

Inspect the Connector on the Game Controller
--------------------------------------------

Verify that the SideWinder game controller connector does not have broken or bent
pins.

Use the Latest Version of the SideWinder Game Controller Software
-----------------------------------------------------------------

If you are using an older version of the SideWinder Game Controller software,
download and install the latest version of the software from the following
Microsoft Web site:

http://www.microsoft.com/sidewinder

Verify That You Are Using the Most Recent Drivers for Your Sound
Card
---------------------------------------------------------------------

To determine the manufacturer and model of your sound card, follow these steps:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video, And Game Controllers to expand
the branch.

The sound card installed in your computer is listed in the branch.

5. Click OK, and then close Control Panel.

Contact the manufacturer of your sound card for information about how to obtain
the latest drivers for your sound card.

For information about how to contact your sound card manufacturer, please query
in the Microsoft Knowledge Base for one of the following articles:

Q117419 List of Major Sound Card Manufacturers (A)

Q117421 List of Major Sound Card Manufacturers (D-L)

Q117347 List of Major Sound Card Manufacturers (N-Z)

For information about known incompatibility issues with certain sound cards,
please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q194490 SideWinder: List of Hardware with Compatibility Issues

Verify That the Gameport Joystick Device Is Installed Properly
--------------------------------------------------------------

To verify that the Gameport Joystick device is installed properly, follow these
steps:

1. Verify that the Gameport Joystick device is installed. To do this, follow
these steps:

a. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

b. Double-click System.

c. Click the Device Manager tab, and then click View Devices By Type.

d. Click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video And Game Controllers to
expand the branch.

e. Check for the Gameport Joystick device.

2. If the Gameport Joystick device is listed with an exclamation point in a
yellow circle or a red X, skip to step 3. If the Gameport Joystick device is
not listed, follow the appropriate steps for your version of Microsoft
Windows:

Microsoft Windows 95:

a. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

b. Double-click Add New Hardware, click Next, click No, and then click Next.

c. In the Hardware Types box, click Sound, Video, And Game Controllers, and
then click Next.

d. In the Manufacturers box, click Microsoft.

e. In the Models box, click Gameport Joystick, and then click Next.

f. Click Next, and then click Finish.

g. If you are prompted to restart the computer, click Yes.

Microsoft Windows 98:

a. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

b. Double-click Add New Hardware.

c. Click Next, click Next, click "No, I want to select the hardware from a
list," and then click Next.

d. In the Hardware Types box, click Sound, Video, And Game Controllers, and
then click Next.

e. In the Manufacturers box, click Microsoft.

f. In the Models box, click Gameport Joystick, and then click Next.

g. Click Next, and then click Finish.

h. If you are prompted to restart the computer, click Yes.

Microsoft Windows 2000:

a. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

b. Double-click Add/Remove Hardware.

c. Click Next, and then click Next again.

d. In the Devices box, click "Add a new device", and then click Next.

e. Click "No, I want to select the hardware from a list", and then click
Next.

f. In the Hardware types box, click "Sound, video and game controllers", and
then click Next.

g. In the Manufacturers box, click "Standard system devices".

h. In the Models box, click Standard Game Port, and then click Next.

i. Click Next again, and then click Finish.

3. If the Gameport Joystick device is listed with an exclamation point in a
yellow circle or a red X, use the following steps to enable the Gameport
Joystick device:

a. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

b. Double-click System.

c. Click the Device Manager tab, and then click View Devices By Type.

d. Click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video And Game Controllers to
expand the branch.

e. Double-click Gameport Joystick.

f. In the Device Usage area on the General tab, make sure that the Original
Configuration (Current) check box is selected. If this check box is
cleared, click to select the check box.

NOTE: If you are using Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2 or Windows 98, make
sure that the Disable In This Hardware Profile check box is cleared. If
this check box is selected, click to clear the check box.

g. Click OK, click OK again, and then close Control Panel.

For additional information about how to use Device Manager to troubleshoot device
conflicts, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q133240 Troubleshooting Device Conflicts with Device Manager

Configure Your Sound Card to Use Only One Direct Memory Access (DMA) Channel
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If your sound card uses more than one DMA channel, the game controller may not
work properly. Verify that your sound card is using only one DMA channel. To do
this, follow these steps:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video, And Game Controllers to expand
the branch.

5. Click your sound card, and then click Properties.

6. Click the Resources tab.

7. Note the number of DMA channels listed in the Resource Type column.

8. Click OK, and then click OK again.

If more than one DMA channel was listed in the Resource Type column, use either
of the following methods to change the resource setting.

Method 1:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click Multimedia.

3. On the Advanced or Devices tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Audio Devices
to expand the branch.

4. Click your sound card, and then click Properties.

5. Click Settings.

6. Click to select the Use Single-Mode DMA check box. If there is no Use
Single-Mode DMA check box, click OK, click OK again, and then proceed to
Method 2.

7. Click OK, and then click OK again.

8. Restart the computer.

Method 2:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. On the Device Manager tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video And
Game Controllers to expand the branch.

4. Double-click your sound card.

5. Click the Resources tab.

6. Click to clear the Use Automatic Settings check box.

7. In the Settings Based On box, click a basic configuration that uses only one
Direct Memory Access (DMA) channel.

8. Verify that "No Conflicts" is displayed in the Conflicting Device List box.

If a conflicting device is displayed in the Conflicting Device List box, click
a different basic configuration with only one DMA channel until you find a
configuration with no conflicts.

9. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to change the
setting.

10. Restart the computer.

Check the System Resources Used By the Gameport Joystick.
---------------------------------------------------------

If the Gameport Joystick uses an Input/Output range other than 0201-0201, your
game controller may not function properly. To check the Gameport Joystick system
resource settings, follow these steps:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. On the Device Manager tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video, And
Game Controllers to expand the branch.

4. Click Gameport Joystick, and then click Properties.

5. Click the Resources tab.

6. If the Input/Output setting for the Gameport Joystick is 0201-0201, click OK,
click OK again, and then continue to the next troubleshooting method.

If the Input/Output setting is not 0201-0201, click to clear the Use Automatic
Settings check box.

7. In the Settings Based On box, click a different basic configuration until you
find a configuration with an Input/Output Range of 0201-0201.

NOTE: If you are unable to find a basic configuration with an Input/Output
setting of 0201-0201, contact the manufacturer of your sound card for
information about how to configure the sound card to use this setting.

8. Click OK, click OK again, and then restart the computer.

If you use Windows ME, you need to "clean start" before editing these settings
because they will not change unless file protection is turned off.

To Clean Start in ME:

To clean start, perform the following steps.

1. Click Start, Run, and type "msconfig" (without the quotation marks) on the
Open line.

2. Click OK.

3. Click Create Backup.

Note: If you click Create Backup again, your will overwrite your original
settings.

4. On the General tab, click Selective Startup.

5. Uncheck all boxes below this EXCEPT Process System.ini File.

6. Click OK.

7. Click Yes to restart your computer.

Note: When the computer restarts, many of your programs that usually load when
you start your computer may no longer be present. To undo the changes, follow
steps 1-2 above and choose Normal Startup on the General tab in Msconfig. Then,
proceed to Step 6.

Check for Multiple Instances of the Same Device
-----------------------------------------------

If the computer initializes more than one instance of the same device, your game
controller may not work properly. To check for multiple devices, follow these
steps:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. On the Device Manager tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video, And
Game Controllers to expand the branch.

4. Note the properties for each device listed in the branch. To do this, follow
these steps:

a. Click a device, and then click Properties.

b. Click each tab in the device properties dialog box, and then record the
device information and settings.

c. Click OK.

5. Click OK, and then close Control Panel.

6. Restart Windows in Safe mode. To do this, use the appropriate section listed
below:

Windows 95:

Restart your computer. When you see the "Starting Windows 95" message, press
the F8 key, and then choose Safe Mode from the Startup menu.

Windows 98:

Restart your computer, press and hold down the CTRL key after your computer
completes the Power On Self Test (POST), and then choose Safe Mode from the
Startup menu.

Windows 2000:

Restart your computer. When you see the "Starting Windows 2000" message, press
the F8 key, and then choose Safe Mode from the Startup menu.

7. When Windows starts in Safe mode, click OK.

8. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

9. Double-click System.

10. On the Device Manager tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Sound, Video, And
Game Controllers to expand the branch.

11. Verify that there are no changes in the list of devices in the branch.

If a new device appears that did not appear in the list of devices you noted
in step 4, click the new device, and then click Remove. Repeat this step for
each device in the branch that was not noted in step 4.

NOTE: If you see new copies of a device that appeared in the list in step 4,
check the properties of each copy of the device. If the properties for the
device match the properties you recorded, keep the device. If the properties
for the device do not match the properties you recorded, remove the device.

12. Click OK.

13. Restart the computer.

Additional Troubleshooting Steps
--------------------------------

If the status of your SideWinder game controller is still "Not Connected," try
the following troubleshooting steps:

- If you are using a Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro on a computer with a system
bus speed of 100 MHz, please see the following article in the Microsoft
Knowledge Base for additional information:

Q236113 SideWinder 3D Pro: "Not Connected" Status with 100 MHz Bus Speed

- If you are using a Microsoft SideWinder Precision Pro or FreeStyle Pro, try
connecting the game controller to the Universal Serial Bus port on your
computer if one exists.

- Test the game controller by connecting it to a different computer.

6.
The following table lists the SideWinder game controllers that are supported by
each version of Windows:

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Game Controller | Windows 95/98/Me/2000 | USB | GamePort |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder standard | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder 3DPro | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Game Pad | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Sidewinder Plug and Play Game Pad | Yes | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Sidewinder Game Pad Pro | Yes | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder FreeStyle Pro | Yes | Yes | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Sidewinder Dual Strike | Yes (incompatible with Windows 2000) | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Joystick | Yes | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Pro | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Pro 2 | Yes | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Pro | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Pro 2 | Yes | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel | Yes | No | Yes |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| SideWinder Precision Racing Wheel | Yes (incompatible with Windows 2000) | Yes | No |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

NOTE: Support for all current USB (Universal Serial Bus) gameport and USB-only
SideWinder game controllers is included in Windows 98, Windows ME, and Windows
2000.

7.
SYMPTOMS
========

After you install any of the devices (or their related software) listed at the
beginning of this article, you may experience one of the following symptoms:

- The Microsoft Windows operating system does not detect that the device has
been plugged in to the universal serial bus (USB) port.

-or-

- The device does not work in a game.

-or-

- When you calibrate and or test the device, the device does not appear in the
list.

-or-

- After you restart the computer, one of the devices is not listed in Device
Manager.

CAUSE
=====

This behavior can occur if either of the following is true:

- Multiple entries of the same device (known as "ghost devices") are listed in
Device Manager.

-or-

- The USB components are corrupted.

RESOLUTION
==========

To resolve this issue, use the method appropriate for your situation.

Method 1: Remove Ghost Devices
------------------------------

To remove ghost devices, follow these steps in the order given.

Step 1: Check Device Manager:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click the System icon.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Expand (click the plus sign next to) the Human Interface Devices list.

5. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

6. Expand the "Sound, video and game controllers" list.

7. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

8. Expand the "Universal Serial Bus controllers" list.

9. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

10. Click Cancel to close Device Manager.

Step 2: Restart Your Computer in Safe Mode:

Use the appropriate method for your operating system. Microsoft Windows 98,
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition

1. Click Start, and then click Shut Down.

2. Click Restart, and then click Yes.

3. Press and hold the SHIFT key as soon as the Power on Self Test (POST) has
completed.

4. When Windows finishes loading, close the message about Safe Mode.

Microsoft Windows 95

1. Click Start, and then click Shut Down.

2. Click "Restart the computer", and then click Yes.

3. As soon as you see the "Starting Windows 95" message, press F5.

4. When Windows finishes loading, close the message about Safe Mode.

Step 3: Check Device Manager and Remove Duplicate Devices:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click the System icon.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Expand (click the plus sign next to) the Human Interface Devices list.

5. Remove any duplicate devices on the list that you made in the "Check Device
Manager" section earlier in this article.

6. Expand the "Sound, video and game controllers" list.

7. Remove any duplicate devices on the list that you made in the "Check Device
Manager" section earlier in this article.

8. Expand the "Universal Serial Bus controllers" list.

9. Remove any duplicate devices from the list made in the "Check Device Manager"
section earlier in this article.

10. Click Close to close the Device Manager.

11. Restart your computer.

NOTE: Restart the computer in normal mode.
8.
SYMPTOMS
========

After you install any of the devices (or their related software) listed at the
beginning of this article, you may experience one of the following symptoms:

- The Microsoft Windows operating system does not detect that the device has
been plugged in to the universal serial bus (USB) port.

-or-

- The device does not work in a game.

-or-

- When you calibrate and or test the device, the device does not appear in the
list.

-or-

- After you restart the computer, one of the devices is not listed in Device
Manager.

CAUSE
=====

This behavior can occur if either of the following is true:

- Multiple entries of the same device (known as "ghost devices") are listed in
Device Manager.

-or-

- The USB components are corrupted.

RESOLUTION
==========

To resolve this issue, use the method appropriate for your situation.

Method 1: Remove Ghost Devices
------------------------------

To remove ghost devices, follow these steps in the order given.

Step 1: Check Device Manager:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click the System icon.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Expand (click the plus sign next to) the Human Interface Devices list.

5. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

6. Expand the "Sound, video and game controllers" list.

7. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

8. Expand the "Universal Serial Bus controllers" list.

9. Make note of the entries listed under this type.

10. Click Cancel to close Device Manager.

Step 2: Restart Your Computer in Safe Mode:

Use the appropriate method for your operating system. Microsoft Windows 98,
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition

1. Click Start, and then click Shut Down.

2. Click Restart, and then click Yes.

3. Press and hold the SHIFT key as soon as the Power on Self Test (POST) has
completed.

4. When Windows finishes loading, close the message about Safe Mode.

Microsoft Windows 95

1. Click Start, and then click Shut Down.

2. Click "Restart the computer", and then click Yes.

3. As soon as you see the "Starting Windows 95" message, press F5.

4. When Windows finishes loading, close the message about Safe Mode.

Step 3: Check Device Manager and Remove Duplicate Devices:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click the System icon.

3. Click the Device Manager tab.

4. Expand (click the plus sign next to) the Human Interface Devices list.

5. Remove any duplicate devices on the list that you made in the "Check Device
Manager" section earlier in this article.

6. Expand the "Sound, video and game controllers" list.

7. Remove any duplicate devices on the list that you made in the "Check Device
Manager" section earlier in this article.

8. Expand the "Universal Serial Bus controllers" list.

9. Remove any duplicate devices from the list made in the "Check Device Manager"
section earlier in this article.

10. Click Close to close the Device Manager.

11. Restart your computer.

NOTE: Restart the computer in normal mode.
9.
When you connect a Microsoft SideWinder game controller to the game port on
certain Creative Labs SoundBlaster sound cards, the status of the game
controller in the Game Controllers tool in Control Panel may be "Not Connected."

CAUSE
=====

This behavior can occur if the following conditions are true:

- A Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! or Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! Value
sound card is installed in the computer.

- The input/output (I/O) range for the Creative Gameport Joystick is outside
the x200-x20F value range.

RESOLUTION
==========

To resolve this issue, set the I/O range for the Creative Gameport Joystick
device to a value within the x200-x20F range. To do this:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

2. Double-click System.

3. On the Device Manager tab, click the PLUS SIGN (+) next to Creative
Miscellaneous Devices to expand the branch.

4. Click Creative Gameport Joystick, and then click Properties.

5. On the Resources tab, click to clear the "Use automatic settings" check box.

6. In the "Setting based on" box, click a basic configuration with an I/O value
between x200 and x20F.

7. Click OK, and then click OK again.

8. Shut down and turn off the computer.

9. Turn your computer on, and then check the status of the SideWinder game
controller.

10.
When you have an ISA audio card and an on-board AC 97 audio card, the Microsoft
SideWinder Force Feedback Pro joystick may not work with certain games software.
The joystick may not even be listed as an input device option with certain
games.

CAUSE
=====

This is caused by the on-board AC 97 audio card. Even if the card is disabled,
the SideWinder Force Feedback Pro joystick does not work.

RESOLUTION
==========

Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in the Microsoft products that are
listed at the beginning of this article.

11.
When you use the Game Controllers tool in Control Panel to configure your
Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro joystick, the status for the joystick may be "Not
Connected."

CAUSE
=====

This behavior can occur if the bus speed of your computer is 100 MHz or faster.

RESOLUTION
==========

You may be able to resolve this issue by downloading and installing the
SideWinder 3D Pro patch.

To do this:

1. Connect to the following Microsoft Web site:

http://www.microsoft.com/products/hardware/sidewinder/downloads/default.htm

2. Click the SideWinder 3D Pro Patch-download link.

3. Click "Save this file to disk," and then click OK.

4. In the File name box, type the following line, and then click Save

:windowssystemsw3dpro.vxd

where is the letter of the hard disk on which Microsoft Windows
is installed.

5. When you are prompted to replace the existing file, click Yes.

6. Restart the computer.

STATUS
======

Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro,
version 1.0.

MORE INFORMATION
================

This resolution works for most computers with a bus speed of 100 MHz. However,
the issue may continue to occur on some computers with a bus speed faster than
100 MHz.



DDevil

[Tiekiller]

Ich bin HEILFROH (!!!), daß ich kein FFB habe! Meine Güte, was ein Roman...!

Zu Ostern auf unsere LAN faaaaahn!!! (jetzt erst recht!!!)

[Acer]

@DDevil: eine kleine Linksammlung hätte vermutlich ausgereicht.

Ich habe heute nochmal ne Stunde damit verbracht das Ding zum Laufen zu bringen, da ich mittlerweile eine andere Soundkarte habe. Als ich das letzte mal vor etwa einem Jahr versucht habe den Stick mit allen Features anzusprechen gab es in der Knowledge Base noch eine genaue Beschreibung für das Problem mit den AMDs. Die ist jetzt nicht mehr online, dafür diverse Versuche das Problem den Soundkartenherstellern in die Schuhe zu schieben. Die verbesserte vxd-Datei wird aber immer noch angeboten...

Acer

[SavageSkull]

jenes Problem hab ich auch
hab microschrott force feedback2 (oder so).
Anderes was stören könnte:
A T H L O N T B
Windows ME

ich hoffe mit jenen tipps (Roman) gehts weiter. ich will den 3er nicht wie die vorgänger mit dem Logitech wingman extrem digital spielen müssen (SCHROTT)